This article is for an open source online journal under Creative Commons Non-commercial license. The pdf provided is freely available to anyone for download. A teacher in the CCC Master’s Research Programme and a researcher at HEAD – Genève, Gene Ray is interested in radical practices of art and activism in a time of multiple social and ecological crises. He spoke with the artist, researcher and activist duo, Jay Jordan and Isabelle Frémeaux, who took part in the struggle against the Notre-Dame-des-Landes airport project, settling on this highly publicized “zad” (zone to defend). Together, they look back at the aesthetics that developed on this field of experimentation around social forms. By defending older principles such as conviviality and proclaiming their healing powers and ability to invent galvanizing myths, these social forms refuse contemporary art as we know it.